What I meant is I'll sometimes find sinful foods to enjoy, but sometimes pick healthier meals which i like too...for the Nasi Padang case, it's a sinful meal i enjoy.
Remember in my live to eat post I still highlighted moderation is key, meaning while i find stuff I enjoy eating, it shouldn't just be the junk stuff all the time, if I'm eating something healthier, it also has to be something I Like to eat and not merely something i need to eat for health sake.
If it helps in anyway, based on your past few pages of meal photos, there isn't really any significantly healthier ones regardless of calories or nutrition so you can just whack.
Actually no leh, now I'm a little confused. With regards to my regular meals not being significantly healthier than Nasi Padang...I thought it was ok leh, take last week for example, over the week I had included in my diet, Soup, Rice and Salmon for Monday's lunch, Salt Baked Chicken for dinner on Wednesday, Seafood Soup for lunch on Thursday, and Kopitiam "Ramen" for lunch and Tuna Pasta for dinner on Saturday. It made up slightly above 1/3 of my meals eaten that week which I would consider as alright foods leh. Perhaps they aren't your standard of a healthy meal but I did think they were significantly healthier than Nasi Padang. Perhaps you could share why they aren't?
Side track, I think we all have a different idea of "Live to Eat", from our past conversations on the topic I've come to assume Al's idea of LTE is sinful foods and yours is somewhere similar but with a more epic-meal time style approach aka huge sinful meals. These are my assumptions based on my observations and thus perhaps it's why when I post pictures of the food I eat, they don't always jive with both your perceptions of LTE cause they aren't the same as mine...but essentially the end goal is to eat what makes you happy.
Of course I am happy to share lah. Firstly, our body needs to consume these 4 macro components - protein, carb, fat, nutrients. And maybe it might be easier to understand if we give a scoring system of 5 points. Each component 1 point, with additional bonus point if you hit the 4 components.
Here are those meals that you assumed to be healthy:
Soup (assume you were referring to your fish soup meal) Protein - Great! +1 Carb - white rice, bad carb. +0.5 Fat - +1 Nutrients - The little vege in the fish soup is more like garnishing. 0 Otah - purely processed food with preservatives and flour, - 0.5 Total: 2 / 5
Rice Salmon Protein: +1! Carb - white rice so +0.5 Fat: +1! Nutrients - 0 Total: 2.5 / 5
Salt Baked Chicken Protein: +1 (will close an eye on the sauce and salt) Carb - white rice perfect here cos its post workout +1! Fat: +1 Nutrients - the vege kind of little, will still award 0.5 Total: 3.5 / 5
Ramen Protein: very little cos the meat slices usually too thin. Egg helps but usually ramen only comes with 1 egg. +0.5 Carb: bad carbs. +0.5 Fat: 0.5 Nutrients: 0 Total: 2.5/5
Tuna Pasta Protein: +1!! Carb: bad carb, +0.5 Fat: 0 Nutrients: 0 Total: 1.5/5
These are your 1/3 alright food and they are already barely meeting your body's necessary requirements. Not to mention the other 2/3 are kind of counter productive, accumulating negative food into your system so in the end, you end up with a deficit. For the above scores, am closing an eye on other possible deductions like MSG, preservatives, etc.
They may appear to be significantly healthier than the rest but they still fail. I can tell myself that I can eat the healthiest item in KFC but it is still KFC after all.
Next time, look at your meal and score the 4 components yourself. I totally understand that is forever a challenge when eating out! The above scoring can improve via improvising on food substitution but might be ma fan for you and defeats your LTE principle.
Your photos do jive with my perception of LTE leh, it is a lifestyle choice so please eat whichever that makes you happy! I am only sharing the info above merely as a "fyi" only so next time don't say I never say.
Just in case, please do not misunderstand that I am expecting any of you to follow my kind of diet! I only advocate.
Cool, thx for the points system,i actually think it comes in handy. The protein and good carb bad carb scoring i can sort of see how they were derived, as for nutrients and fats, what would score as a point? Cause my tuna pasta and soup with salmon had carrots but we're not factored in you scoring, does that mean nutrients apply to only green leafy vegs? What about fruits? As for fat does it only apply to meat-fat or vegetable fat too? Cause the tuna pasta was canned tuna with sunflower oil which i used instead of adding vegetable oil from a standalone bottle.
You are right that it may not gel with my LTE philosophy but it looks like it can come in handy if i do decide to implement it in 1/3 of my meals.
It looks like i scored highest for the salt baked chicken which i assume it's cause it's ideal as a post workout meal, otherwise the next highest is the salmon+soup and ramen...maybe I can try for a 3/5 scoring at lowest during my healthier options.
I didn't notice the carrots but they certainly do deserve some points! Note that carrots fall under the carbs category, your general carb portion per meal can feed 2 or 3 of my carb portion already. Overall I still eat more carbs than you because I kept rice to a minimum and the remaining carbs came from vegetables and fruits. If you just shift and eat more of the correct carbs, they will take care of the nutrients too.
Just for reference, I eat 7 fruits a day (breakfast 2 bananas and 1 apple/orange then lunch, snack, dinner & supper 1 apple/orange each) on a good day.
Fat is highly subjective because the new studies always contradict one another. A while say this oil good, then later say that oil no good. To make it simple for myself, the only good fat are from avocado, nuts (nut oils too), egg yolk, milk and from fish. I try to stay away from any other sources. Sunflower oil is debatable so I can't conclude on that.
This nutrition nonsense is a real bitch, it is overwhelming and confusing. I had to read and experiment a lot to make some sense of it.
Yup, the salt baked chicken is heng heng cos post workout.
Salmon + soup is a potential good scorer just that can't eat salmon too often due to mercury, I try to limit to 2 times a week. Same goes for tuna.
Ramen comes with a lot of hidden bad fat and too much preservatives. Just treat it as a LTE meal and enjoy it.
Haha, i guess the processed carbs in the form of rice is quite hard to avoid if eating outside cause it's a local staple.
Seems the fat thing is still a bit hard to calculate.
My assumption was the caveman diet allows for animal fat too, hence fat from bak kut teh, steak, chicken from chicken rice etc would be a better option than vegetable oil...true or false?
Thats why I bring my lunch box instead of eating out, don't even eat fish soup rice now.
In my case, I calculate the fat required according to my requirements based on current weight and goal. Don't think you should bother with that.
The modern caveman diet advocates on lean meat so fat from BKT or chicken are still a no. I cannot say true or false if it is better option than veg oil because both also fail cases.
Btw, there is a difference between ancestral and modern caveman diet. In ancient times, animals being hunted are free roaming and they eat what they are supposed to eat. Modern day animals are farm raised and overfed with highly unbalanced diet.
Haha, no wonder you say the nutrition thing is a bitch to calculate cause of the various factors. Will try n see how I can implement it into my LTE lifestyle, at most even if not the healthiest,i can try to incorporate the 4 components when possible...thx!
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i'm confused with this post. you "live to eat" so why you make it seem that you need an occasion for a sinful meal?
Because living to eat is about eating foods you enjoy, not just sinful foods in particular. =)
even more confused now! why eat something sinful that you don't enjoy? i bet the next answer will make me even more confused =P
Huh,i enjoyed the Nasi Padang leh!Lol.
What I meant is I'll sometimes find sinful foods to enjoy, but sometimes pick healthier meals which i like too...for the Nasi Padang case, it's a sinful meal i enjoy.
Remember in my live to eat post I still highlighted moderation is key, meaning while i find stuff I enjoy eating, it shouldn't just be the junk stuff all the time, if I'm eating something healthier, it also has to be something I Like to eat and not merely something i need to eat for health sake.
Hope that answer's less confusing =P
Living to eat is a lifestyle that I envy.
If it helps in anyway, based on your past few pages of meal photos, there isn't really any significantly healthier ones regardless of calories or nutrition so you can just whack.
Actually no leh, now I'm a little confused. With regards to my regular meals not being significantly healthier than Nasi Padang...I thought it was ok leh, take last week for example, over the week I had included in my diet, Soup, Rice and Salmon for Monday's lunch, Salt Baked Chicken for dinner on Wednesday, Seafood Soup for lunch on Thursday, and Kopitiam "Ramen" for lunch and Tuna Pasta for dinner on Saturday. It made up slightly above 1/3 of my meals eaten that week which I would consider as alright foods leh. Perhaps they aren't your standard of a healthy meal but I did think they were significantly healthier than Nasi Padang. Perhaps you could share why they aren't?
Side track, I think we all have a different idea of "Live to Eat", from our past conversations on the topic I've come to assume Al's idea of LTE is sinful foods and yours is somewhere similar but with a more epic-meal time style approach aka huge sinful meals. These are my assumptions based on my observations and thus perhaps it's why when I post pictures of the food I eat, they don't always jive with both your perceptions of LTE cause they aren't the same as mine...but essentially the end goal is to eat what makes you happy.
Of course I am happy to share lah. Firstly, our body needs to consume these 4 macro components - protein, carb, fat, nutrients. And maybe it might be easier to understand if we give a scoring system of 5 points. Each component 1 point, with additional bonus point if you hit the 4 components.
Here are those meals that you assumed to be healthy:
Soup (assume you were referring to your fish soup meal)
Protein - Great! +1
Carb - white rice, bad carb. +0.5
Fat - +1
Nutrients - The little vege in the fish soup is more like garnishing. 0
Otah - purely processed food with preservatives and flour, - 0.5
Total: 2 / 5
Rice Salmon
Protein: +1!
Carb - white rice so +0.5
Fat: +1!
Nutrients - 0
Total: 2.5 / 5
Salt Baked Chicken
Protein: +1 (will close an eye on the sauce and salt)
Carb - white rice perfect here cos its post workout +1!
Fat: +1
Nutrients - the vege kind of little, will still award 0.5
Total: 3.5 / 5
Ramen
Protein: very little cos the meat slices usually too thin. Egg helps but usually ramen only comes with 1 egg. +0.5
Carb: bad carbs. +0.5
Fat: 0.5
Nutrients: 0
Total: 2.5/5
Tuna Pasta
Protein: +1!!
Carb: bad carb, +0.5
Fat: 0
Nutrients: 0
Total: 1.5/5
These are your 1/3 alright food and they are already barely meeting your body's necessary requirements. Not to mention the other 2/3 are kind of counter productive, accumulating negative food into your system so in the end, you end up with a deficit. For the above scores, am closing an eye on other possible deductions like MSG, preservatives, etc.
They may appear to be significantly healthier than the rest but they still fail. I can tell myself that I can eat the healthiest item in KFC but it is still KFC after all.
Next time, look at your meal and score the 4 components yourself. I totally understand that is forever a challenge when eating out! The above scoring can improve via improvising on food substitution but might be ma fan for you and defeats your LTE principle.
Your photos do jive with my perception of LTE leh, it is a lifestyle choice so please eat whichever that makes you happy! I am only sharing the info above merely as a "fyi" only so next time don't say I never say.
Just in case, please do not misunderstand that I am expecting any of you to follow my kind of diet! I only advocate.
Btw, I always look forward to your food photos because they inspire me to train harder so I can eat them as a reward!
Cool, thx for the points system,i actually think it comes in handy. The protein and good carb bad carb scoring i can sort of see how they were derived, as for nutrients and fats, what would score as a point? Cause my tuna pasta and soup with salmon had carrots but we're not factored in you scoring, does that mean nutrients apply to only green leafy vegs? What about fruits? As for fat does it only apply to meat-fat or vegetable fat too? Cause the tuna pasta was canned tuna with sunflower oil which i used instead of adding vegetable oil from a standalone bottle.
You are right that it may not gel with my LTE philosophy but it looks like it can come in handy if i do decide to implement it in 1/3 of my meals.
It looks like i scored highest for the salt baked chicken which i assume it's cause it's ideal as a post workout meal, otherwise the next highest is the salmon+soup and ramen...maybe I can try for a 3/5 scoring at lowest during my healthier options.
I didn't notice the carrots but they certainly do deserve some points! Note that carrots fall under the carbs category, your general carb portion per meal can feed 2 or 3 of my carb portion already. Overall I still eat more carbs than you because I kept rice to a minimum and the remaining carbs came from vegetables and fruits. If you just shift and eat more of the correct carbs, they will take care of the nutrients too.
Just for reference, I eat 7 fruits a day (breakfast 2 bananas and 1 apple/orange then lunch, snack, dinner & supper 1 apple/orange each) on a good day.
Fat is highly subjective because the new studies always contradict one another. A while say this oil good, then later say that oil no good. To make it simple for myself, the only good fat are from avocado, nuts (nut oils too), egg yolk, milk and from fish. I try to stay away from any other sources. Sunflower oil is debatable so I can't conclude on that.
This nutrition nonsense is a real bitch, it is overwhelming and confusing. I had to read and experiment a lot to make some sense of it.
Yup, the salt baked chicken is heng heng cos post workout.
Salmon + soup is a potential good scorer just that can't eat salmon too often due to mercury, I try to limit to 2 times a week. Same goes for tuna.
Ramen comes with a lot of hidden bad fat and too much preservatives. Just treat it as a LTE meal and enjoy it.
Haha, i guess the processed carbs in the form of rice is quite hard to avoid if eating outside cause it's a local staple.
Seems the fat thing is still a bit hard to calculate.
My assumption was the caveman diet allows for animal fat too, hence fat from bak kut teh, steak, chicken from chicken rice etc would be a better option than vegetable oil...true or false?
Thats why I bring my lunch box instead of eating out, don't even eat fish soup rice now.
In my case, I calculate the fat required according to my requirements based on current weight and goal. Don't think you should bother with that.
The modern caveman diet advocates on lean meat so fat from BKT or chicken are still a no. I cannot say true or false if it is better option than veg oil because both also fail cases.
Btw, there is a difference between ancestral and modern caveman diet. In ancient times, animals being hunted are free roaming and they eat what they are supposed to eat. Modern day animals are farm raised and overfed with highly unbalanced diet.
Haha, no wonder you say the nutrition thing is a bitch to calculate cause of the various factors. Will try n see how I can implement it into my LTE lifestyle, at most even if not the healthiest,i can try to incorporate the 4 components when possible...thx!
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